Wonder if he's going to follow his own advice and not mummer about how his removal as a DO was unfair. I don't know the guy and usually don't make negative comments about individuals but really, I know his TYPE and I do feel a twinge of happiness as I read of his recent unemployment. Have fun in the real world Rodrigues.
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DO Rodrigues/ROD-ricks commenting on JWN discussions and apostate having some Troof.
by cattails inwhat a flurry of interesting topics on jwn lately!
my oh my.. i haven't posted in the last few days... nor read the forum.. this last week i was back east visiting friends in the troof.. lucky for me it was assembly time, so packing and going to.
natick assembly hall (boston, ma), and caught the sunday.
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Some observations from the KM Elder School I wanted to share with you.
by miseryloveselders inmy school was a couple weeks back, and it was interesting to a degree.
to be honest with you, it reminded me of a police crime scene investigation with yellow tape.
what i mean is, in one respect it was business as usual.
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WELCOME franklin massey!! Look forward to your contributions!!!
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BOE LTR Dec 9, 2010 (copy/paste) DC listings removed from March 1st WT!!!
by yknot inchristian congregation of jehovah's witnesses'.
same meeting.
meeting.
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It's a little weird but I think its a trial ballon for having the local BOE print out the KMs from jw.org as opposed to printing and mailing them. They want to see if there are any problems and if the problems are minor (ask the COs to poll the local BOEs and report back) then they'll proceed with moving more things to this format.
Pure speculation because it's not as if 1) people don't know when a convention takes place and 2) those sessions are open to the public.
Also, it's not like they have so much stuff they want to put in that they don't have room!!
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Some observations from the KM Elder School I wanted to share with you.
by miseryloveselders inmy school was a couple weeks back, and it was interesting to a degree.
to be honest with you, it reminded me of a police crime scene investigation with yellow tape.
what i mean is, in one respect it was business as usual.
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MLE - thanks for your impressions. I've posted before that we currently have a few serving elders with kids in college (one with 2 attending and a 3rd graduated a few years ago). Good for the kids that their parents have allowed them the opportunity and support despite the "counsel" over the past few years. But, now that it's a removable offense - I really wonder what's going to happen. The BOE here is made up of several colleged educated JWs (which is a rarity) and they've appointed over the past few years a couple of kids as MS that were still in college. And not a "supplemental education" situation, a full 4 year degree (obviously I'm US based) with majors in stuff like engineering and business.
It seems like the BOE has no choice but to review the elders in question and likely remove them from the 8 questions I see. While the kids are active, it almost seems to me to be an automatic removal because a few of the questions specifically relate to how the elder views the FDS direction. Well, obviously this guy doesn't agree with it because all of his kids went to college (again, good for them).
I'm hoping they remove him because at the moment, my wife doesn't believe any of this stuff about the WTS forbidding college. She still thinks its each family's choice and that the WTS is just warning of getting caught up in campus life. That has changed and she doesn't want to admit it. If they remove this elder over sending his goody goody kids to college (they live at home, not on campus and are the straightest laced kids you ever want to met), I'm hoping this will help her wake up. It's a longshot but the more they crack down on normal activities, the better chance there is to get folks to wake up.
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An Open letter to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses (Elders/ Ex-Elders)
by stuckinamovement inif you are an elder or an ex-elder please add a comment.
i hope that the governing body will see this.
it is too bad it has to be on an anonymous forum.
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Cosign! All of those reasons were part of my tought process in resigning and realizing that the GB doesn't speak for Jehovah.
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NFL Wildcard Games - 2011
by Iron Head insaturday, january 8, 2011 .
4:30pm est nbc - new orleans @seattle.
8:00pm est nbc - ny jets @indianapolis.
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All the visiting teams:
Saints
Jets
Ravens
Packers
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To all lurking JW elders
by Mickey mouse income on in, the water's fine.
you may even realise you have close friends and family here.
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curiousconfused - Welcome to the board. Look forward to your contributions.
I do understand what you're refering to when you talk about the psudo-association that comes from constantly discussing things JW when you've left. As I'm sure you know, there are those that are JW only to keep up family ties and appearances. Even some that are serving in some appointed capacity that either don't believe at all or have serious doctrinal/organizational issues. So, those folks (I'm including myself as one who attends for family reasons but doesn't think the WTS is Gods chosen organization) will critique the literature here since they're not able to do so with loved ones or others in their congregation. Or at least that's my motivation and I'm assuming others feel the same way.
As for those that have either faded or have da'ed or been df'ed, I think the shunning practice is probably why they can't just let it go. I think there are a large number of exJws that don't come to these boards or don't necessarily focus on the literature. They're done and that's that. But, the pain caused by shunning is so great that some feel the need to help others see the same way they do and leave. Honestly, communities that practice shunning (mormons and scientology are 2 examples) tend to have more vocal ex members as opposed to say Baptists.
Anyway, I think your prospective is valuable and hope that you'll stay.
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"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."- Michael Corleone in Godfather III. Sorta reminds me of my life.
by miseryloveselders inmost of you recognize that line from the godfather iii, which wasn't the greatest film in my opinion, but that line was classic.
it perfectly depicts my life as it stands now.
i'm at a crossroads in life, and my heart is being tugged in different directions.
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Enjoyed reading the first part of "your story". I agree with you that the vast majority of JW youth are living a double life. Being a teenager is hard enough without having to live up to almost unatainable expectations many JW parents place on their kids. In addition, sticking out like a sore thumb during the period most people want to fit in most almost forces you to do the double life thing.
Look forward to hearing the rest.
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WTBTS Elder & Ministerial Servant Problems
by JW GoneBad ini attended a recent ministerial servant k m school on the east coast and the main school instructor mentioned among other things (part entitled: 'objective of the km school course') that the total number of ministerial servants is seriously less than it should be.
in times past the ratio of m ss to elders was much more than it is today.. in the u.s. apparently the total number of elders is 88,500+ as opposed to m ss 65,000. the numbers show & numbers don't lie: the society is running out of spiritual men.
the instructor stated that this is a new downward trend that has (in so many words) the society worried.. the next speaker (part entitled: 'why we must be spiritual men') added that in his years as a traveling servant the pool of m ss has always been much, much larger than it is today.
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Speaking of merging congregations, has anyone noticed a trend to build 2 auditoriums on one site (zoning permitting). I've heard them refered to as "double halls". I could see that as a way to deal with declining numbers. Move 4 congregations into a complex. Sell off 4 separate KHs and use that cash to build the new building with money left over to "donate" to the WWW. Then, if numbers decline you could merge 2 together in that complex without anyone really seeing any difference since you'd be going to the same building. Do that, you'd also open up room to move another congregation into the complex.
I do know that this merging/disbanding has become common enough, at least among the English halls, that when it happens people seem to just shrug it off. But psychologically it's taking its toll and is a major point of discouragement. The last time I saw a new English congregation form in this area (a growing area by the way) was over 15 years ago!! I've seen several non-English but no English.
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WTBTS Elder & Ministerial Servant Problems
by JW GoneBad ini attended a recent ministerial servant k m school on the east coast and the main school instructor mentioned among other things (part entitled: 'objective of the km school course') that the total number of ministerial servants is seriously less than it should be.
in times past the ratio of m ss to elders was much more than it is today.. in the u.s. apparently the total number of elders is 88,500+ as opposed to m ss 65,000. the numbers show & numbers don't lie: the society is running out of spiritual men.
the instructor stated that this is a new downward trend that has (in so many words) the society worried.. the next speaker (part entitled: 'why we must be spiritual men') added that in his years as a traveling servant the pool of m ss has always been much, much larger than it is today.
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oh, sorry. They eliminated a local congregation and reassigned members to existing congregations (2 I believe). The congregation I attend picked up several territories and a few publishers (no elders, ms or pioneers). I think the attendance had dropped to below 50 and they only had a couple of elders/ms. There's a rumor that another congregation is going to meet the same fate based on the number of folks attending. Maybe disbanded is the term that they're using?